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Web Site Issues / Ground Ctrl
Hey everyone,
I just wanted to check in with you all about the issues we’ve had regarding the web site. Team McBride got into a room with Ground Ctrl yesterday and we talked about everything that’s come up for about 5 hours. We talked about the complaints we’ve gotten from the fans, we talked about the issues and glitches we had with the web site and fan club and we talked about how we can all work together to make the best experience for each and every one of you fans.
I’ve read comments here on the site that Ground Ctrl is a money grubbing and evil corporation who only cares about the bottom line and not Martina’s fans. I truly don’t think that is a fair assessment at all. There are features that we offered you in the past (being able to friend people and send private messages) which are not a part of the free accounts here on the site any longer, but this is a new system and a new web site so there will be some changes. Some of the changes people will love and some people will hate. We do hope that it falls mainly in the love category, but that is all up to you, the fans.
Everyone agrees that there have been communications breakdowns between those of us on Martina’s team and you fans. You all deserve to know what the free accounts get and what the fan club accounts get. Things will be spelled out more clearly on the web site shortly. We’re also going to work to have a more pointed control of communications with the fans. Here on the forums I’m going to do my best to get you all the information that you need as well as to listen to your concerns and ideas. That’s not to say Eddie or any of the other guys from Ground Ctrl won’t chime in from time to time because they truly want to be a part of the Martina community but they also understand that you and I have built a relationship already. I’ve known a lot of you for ten or fifteen years now and Ground Ctrl understands that.
A lot of the feedback you’ve given us has really helped, whether you believe that or not. While there have been a bunch of technical issues that hit the site over the first 6 weeks I can tell you that it doesn’t come from a lack of effort or a lack of passion. Brent and Vinnie over at Ground Ctrl take their work seriously and take it personally when people criticize their work. Have they deserved some of that criticism? Sure, we all know the launch of the new site wasn’t perfect. But on the other hand, now that the bugs are starting to get fixed and new features added I sincerely hope that you all put some of the same effort into posting positive comments and thanking them for their hard work.
You can believe me when I tell you things behind the scenes have gotten heated at times. I said in the meeting yesterday that I’d be more worried if they NEVER got heated. Martina and John have a team of people around them, Ground Ctrl included, who are passionate about both our jobs and Martina and her music and career. All normal functional families have arguments, they have fights, people yell at each other and they make up. Ground Ctrl is just the newest members of our family and we’re not going to treat them any differently. For the good and the bad they’re now a part of the crazy family that is Team McBride.
As for the specific errors, it would appear that the 404 errors have finally been fixed. The fan club expiration dates are either fixed or in the process of being fixed. There are a few other cosmetic glitches with the site that will be taken care of as well.
As far as the features of being able to add friends and send private messages, that is going to stay a fan club member perk for the foreseeable future. For those of you non-fan club members though we are interested in getting you involved and showing you the perks involved with the fan club so we’re working on getting everyone that was a member of the old Martinaville forums a free three month trial membership to the fan club so you can see what’s going on behind the curtain if you will! Stay tuned for more information on that.
No decision has been made yet, but my suggestion to Ground Ctrl was to shut the feedback section of the forum down. Not because we don’t want the input, but because it seems like it’s a place where it’s way too easy for everything to get a negative tone too quickly. It’s my feeling that I’d rather just post my email address and deal with any issues on a one-on-one basis. I think we can get more done quickly that way and try to keep the forums a place for lively fun discussions about Martina and her music.
I know I’ve heard from a lot of you about this switch over to Ground Ctrl and I appreciate all the positive things I’ve heard about my work here. For 15 years I was the guy that wrote ever line of code on the website and sent out each and every newsletter. It’s an experience that I wouldn’t trade for anything. I’ve gotten to meet a lot of great fans and I’ve been treated as one of the family from Martina and John. I’m looking forward to working with Ground Ctrl to create some great new content for you all and continue to do what I’ve always done, promote Martina to every new person that I can find! That’s really where it all started for me 15 years ago with the first Martina McBride web site and that’s really where I’m still at. Nobody can sing like Martina McBride, nobody - and it’s my goal to help make sure everyone on the planet knows that!
If there’s ever anything I can do to help you promote Martina, please let me know! Friend me up here or on Facebook or Twitter and let’s talk about how we can spread the word. I know I’ve said it for years, but Martina truly has some of the best fans in the business. And in this business that’s what it’s about, the fans. You all make or break and artist, make no mistake about it! We thank each and every one of you for letting us do what we do. Either you rock or you suck, and you guys sincerely ROCK!!
Thanks,
Darren
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thank you Darren, it is easy to lose sight of the important stuff!!! things WILL get better as we all learn TOGETHER!!! Happy Thanksgiving!!!
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THX- I appreciate any forward motion on this new site, and apparently thats the direction we are headed!!! ThX for all your support in the past and present Darren.....maybe SOX fans aint THAT BAAAD after all!!!
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Thanks for the info, Darren!! It's nice to be updated.
You ROCK, too! Thanks for taking care of us all these years.
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Thank you for the information and thank you for your previous work.
That being said, I think getting rid of the feedback section of the forums and replacing it with PM's or E-mail is a very bad idea. Yes, there is a herding instinct and things can get negative quickly especially on issues that affect many; are long standing; and are not properly addressed by the administration. However, it is rather important that people feel that there is accountability and if the complaints are silenced then there is no public accountability to the fans and they then feel even more powerless.
Rather than silencing the public complaints, I would strongly encourage that each complaint be responded to by someone in authority reassuring the public/fans base that their issue was heard and an actual answer to their problem even if that answer is too bad that is just the way it is going to be. A policy of openness is far better than a policy of silencing the critics to instill a sense of community -
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thanks Darren, for keeping us informed. thank you ground ctrl for fixing those errors and WELCOME to "Team McBride"!
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Thank Darren for the info, I have seen some inprovement on this sites so far.. 1 ? I have do Ground Ctrl send out emails, The only one I have gotten is the one about My ticket I order but they didn't say where I was sittng all I know is F2 but not sure about the seats. Do they come in the mail or pick up at Gwinnett area. And Darren I maybe the only one but I would like to get to know the people who are running the site but I know that would be hard to do.
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Very good Darren...that was an enjoyable read. Glad to hear you are still a main player there, I was a little worried about that part of the new website. You've always been very helpful to us and we appreciate it. Change is usually a good thing, but with computers and software not always an easy one.
Take care, and you're right.....NOBODY SINGS LIKE MARTINA!!!
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Thanks for the info Tenacious D! Glad to hear that things have not fallen on deaf ears. I've enjoyed coming to this site for years and hope to continue doing so. BDIG's rule!!!!Now if we can just get Martina to do a G. Love and Special Sauce cover tune in concert.

Mikey
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Hi Darren.
Thank you very much for the update and for keeping us all informed about what's going on.
It sounds like you had a very productive meeting with GC regarding the various Website issues, and I for one am very grateful for all that you are doing on our behalf for both FC and non FC members alike. I know a lot of hard work has being going on behind the scenes as Team McBride and GC strive to achieve the impossible - pleasing every single one of us who logs in to this site daily, but at least you are all trying to do what you can, so thank you for that.
This update of yours is welcome news because for the last few weeks the silence has been deafening from GC while we at this end have been getting more and more frustrated about the lack of feedback regarding our OWN feedback (if you see what I mean!). At least now we know GC are listening and acting on our input wherever possible!
Having said all that, can I just raise a couple of points, though?
I agree with the earlier post from BingBangBop - I don't think it's a good idea to get rid of the Feedback topic.
I think things only started to get very negative because it seemed GC were regarding us Forum posters' as the
problem with our various requests, and in the end they just stopped responding to us. Perhaps I'm being unfair but that's how it came across to me. Hopefully now you've had your "clear the air" meeting we can all start off on an even keel again because I don't think anyone was being critical just for the sake of it.
If we still had a Feedback section and our queries were answered on a regular basis I think it would be
productive for both "sides", and I'm sure there'd be a lot more praise forthcoming as issues were seen to be addressed - or at the very least, acknowledged.
My second point is regarding Friends Rquests (for us non FC members).
In your update you state that the add friends/send private PM's feature is going to stay a FC perk "for the forseeable future". However, in your post of 11th October in the Friends Requests Problem thread you said
"Before the switch over to GC Martina was very specific that she wanted the new forums/Martinaville to be open to EVERYONE, not just paying members."
Can you tell us what's changed, please, and why? And also, why were we allowed access for a few fleeting days last month if it was to be a FC "perk"?
Sorry if you think I'm having a go at you - that is certainly not my intention. I'd just be grateful if you could explain the change of heart to us non FC members, please.
Thank you for reading this, and a big THANK YOU for doing all that do - it really IS appreciated, you know!!
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To answer Di's question in regards to the private messages and friends requests it all really came down to Ground Ctrl feeling that these features are worthy of being an added value to those folks that sign up to be in Martina's fan club. Since the site is new we are just at the start of producing exclusive content just for the fan club members only, meaning there isn't a lot of that available for the site yet. Ground Ctrl feels that at this point every little perk we can offer the fan club members helps them feel like they're getting their money's worth. It is something that may be revisited in a few months when content has been rolling in. That's why I made the suggestion to give all of the existing Martinaville members from the old site a free 3-month trial to the fan club. It will give everyone access to those two features and more and hopefully in that time we amass enough great content in the fan club area that you'll also enjoy.
As someone said it's hard to make EVERYONE happy, but that's what we are trying to do. John point blank asked in the meeting whether or not a free fan club or paid fan club was truly a better option. Obviously two radically different concepts, but both are probably worthy of more discussion than we even had time to give it at this meeting. On one hand it would be great to open up everything to everyone but on the other hand there are some of the perks like the pre-sales tickets that become a little less of a perk if most or all of the fans have it. It really isn't an easy question to answer, we obviously are going to keep striving to produce a web site that both members and non-members can enjoy and find useful.
I know we're going to be seeing some cool video footage from this upcoming tour. The band has been given Flip cameras (thanks to Ground Ctrl) so every crazy moment of what happens behind the scenes on a major country tour might just make it up onto the web site! Let's all sit back and try to have fun and enjoy the ride. And I'm serious, if anyone has any ideas on how we can promote Martina and her music, let me know! Or if we can help you promote her, same deal.
Thanks,
Darren
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Thanks for the explanation re. the Friends Requests, Darren.
It's decent of you to reply so quickly.
Cheers. Di.
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I'm against completely free fan club's because that often leads to fan club's dissolving and going away.
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Unfortunately, generally speaking, it wouldn't surprise me if people started walking away from this site anyway, now that GC have decided the social side of the Forum is to be a FC "perk" for the forseeable future. What a real shame that would be!
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Unfortunately, generally speaking, it wouldn't surprise me if people started walking away from this site anyway, now that GC have decided the social side of the Forum is to be a FC "perk" for the forseeable future. What a real shame that would be!
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Darren,Ground control,and Ect,
I don't think just getting rid of the fee back will help matters. At least with feedback thread people can see thier complaint down for all to see, I'm not saying that it helps on your end but it helps to see it down in print. I think people need to stay more on the topic than just start to ramble about things in general. I was disappointed that the 10:00 start to Buffalo was off by I'm not sure how much. People have set a side time to get on the web site to get pre-sale tickets.
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I don't remember you from the old Martinaville and that's why I don't accept your anti-change or GC posts as easily as those made by people I remember from the old Martinaville like Kat, Pearl and Amy.
That is about as rude of a thing as I've read on Martina's forums ever. Knock it off Danial.
-Darren
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